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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:06:00 -
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Natassia Krasnoo wrote:Uhm....you just contradicted yourself. You want to take a sandbox and remove tools from that sandbox that others use for content creation. Essentially forcing others into your play style. That is a theme park.
So just another why can't everyone play my way thread. I was proud to give you the 30th like on your post....spot on |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:10:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Why not?
There are far too many coincidences here for it to be anything else. The lack of bots found by ccp as well as players not finding bots in null that often. That CCP have found that the second most botted activity also just happens to be running missions in high which have been shown to earn more isk than belt ratting or running anoms.
The evidence is somewhat overwhelming. It's overwhelming evidence of what? It is overwhelming evidence that: CCP found most bots in Caldari space, most notably The Forge and That CCP found the second most bots running missions. I suppose you could realistically and responsibly infer that "Most bots are not found in Null Sec" and that "Most bots are not running missions". Anything more than that is just speculation. You guys dont think it would have anything at all to do with the aggression mechanics vs hi-sec to null as to where most bots worked?
Who does your thinking for you during your day? |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:
Pointing at bots and suggesting their indicative of anything is a strawman. One that the Master of the Mega uses often. While it is true that during the FanFest 2013 Security presentation, a graph showing the vast majority of bots operating in HighSec were found in Caldari Space and most notably in The Forge, it makes no direct correlation to any disparity in income. It is quite possible that the majority operate in Caldari and specifically The Forge due to it's proximity to
On bots according to CCP the second most botted activity is mission running, given that both low and null mission systems are sparcely populated at best that means there is only one place they can be. The information is pertinent to where bots are found not where they continue to operate. A bot not found continues to operate, CCP can not report on where they operate until they are found. I would advise caution on inferring facts from the data. These threads already have enough speculation. The only things that the data being discussed in this matter reveal are: CCP found most bots in The Forge. CCP found the second most bots were running missions. Any inference based on this is opinion and not fact. Why not? There are far too many coincidences here for it to be anything else. The lack of bots found by ccp as well as players not finding bots in null that often. That CCP have found that the second most botted activity also just happens to be running missions in high which have been shown to earn more isk than belt ratting or running anoms. The evidence is somewhat overwhelming. Oddly enough in the next six months we are expecting to see more ice bots in low a null. Mining is about to be a bigger earner in null than anoms...Go figur. Ballick, do us all a favor and go ahead and move to hi-sec and run your missions, but please stop trying to turn every thread into a whine thread about how terrible you have it in blue sec and how unfair Eve is. No one is stopping you from leaving.
ItGÇÖs not CCP fault or hi-sec fault that your alliance owners choose to rent out the best space instead of letting their pets have it.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Why not?
There are far too many coincidences here for it to be anything else. The lack of bots found by ccp as well as players not finding bots in null that often. That CCP have found that the second most botted activity also just happens to be running missions in high which have been shown to earn more isk than belt ratting or running anoms.
The evidence is somewhat overwhelming. It's overwhelming evidence of what? It is overwhelming evidence that: CCP found most bots in Caldari space, most notably The Forge and That CCP found the second most bots running missions. I suppose you could realistically and responsibly infer that "Most bots are not found in Null Sec" and that "Most bots are not running missions". Anything more than that is just speculation. CCPs toolbox means they whack bots without us reporting them a lot of the time so if there were bots evenly spread out we would not see 80% getting whacked in high sec. Equally given that there are very few pilots running mission in null and low sec that can only leave high sec missions. Its the only place where we see the numbers needed given the amount of bots. So yea, we can take this as a fact because its the only way CCPs data makes any sense.
The fact is the last nerf hit bluesec. The fact is now that cfc control most of blue-sec any nerf to income to any other space would only benifit them. Where do alliances go to recover once they are run out of sov? Right, low-hi-sec.
Nerfing that income potential would help keep putting the beat down on your defeated enemy.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 16:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Why not?
There are far too many coincidences here for it to be anything else. The lack of bots found by ccp as well as players not finding bots in null that often. That CCP have found that the second most botted activity also just happens to be running missions in high which have been shown to earn more isk than belt ratting or running anoms.
The evidence is somewhat overwhelming. It's overwhelming evidence of what? It is overwhelming evidence that: CCP found most bots in Caldari space, most notably The Forge and That CCP found the second most bots running missions. I suppose you could realistically and responsibly infer that "Most bots are not found in Null Sec" and that "Most bots are not running missions". Anything more than that is just speculation. You guys dont think it would have anything at all to do with the aggression mechanics vs hi-sec to null as to where most bots worked? Who does your thinking for you during your day? I would argue the current state of bots has nothing to do with the difference between blue-sec vs hi-sec mission income but the sheer volume of players in hi-sec vs blue-sec. Where would you try and hide? In the herd with the other wilderbeast? or alone in blue-sec where any frigrate could tackle and kill you free of concord?? Its less about the isk and all about not getting caught. Nullsec was once stuffed full with bots. Botting supers and a raven in every system was a real thing back in 2008.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:11:00 -
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BrundleMeth wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:I do not want Hi-Sec to be 100% safe in any way shape or form. But High-Sec should be safer than it is for the people who want to play there full time. How much safer? I understand what you're saying but it needs a quantifier. How much safer does HighSec need to be, in your opinion? Truthfully? Not a real whole lot I guess. Since I am the first one to say just now much I hate, hate hate, nerfing, I don't want to see any more nerfs. Maybe faster Concord action, and/or more penalties for doing "bad stuff" in hi-sec. Simply, bigger consequences... OR How about this. Make Null so much better so most won't WANT to bother ganking in Hi-Sec. In my humble opinion, Null should ALWAYS have the biggest and best rewards... I agree 100% |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:27:00 -
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Evilishah wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Funny how OP claims PVE is zero risk, then goes on about how he gets PVE players to leave their ships and so on. Kind of a oxymoron, eh? You are the risk OP, as well as gankers. It's far from zero risk. It isn't though. Eve is such that there is inherent risk in virtually everything. Invest too much in a market that crashes and you can lose a ton of isk. Undock in a spendy ship and there is the possibility of a suicide gank. Take a big ship into low, there's a real chance you could be tackled before you align and warp. That said, high sec is incredibly safe relative to the rest of Eve. So they aren't mutually exclusive (OPs comments and OPs actions), like you seem to think they are. I think OP takes it a bit too far, and I agree with some of the newer player safety nets (like safety and lowsec pop-ups), as sandbox does not necessarily mean "take advantage of a day 1 player for lulz". But OP is correct that this game has an inverse risk/reward set-up. Some of the easiest and safest content in the game is the most valuable (lvl 4s) while some of the most dangerous is less rewarded (90% of low-sec, Nullsec Exploration). I don't think it is unreasonable, nor have I heard one good argument against this, that risk-averse activities should reward less than more dangerous endeavors. No not really. I feel safer in blue sec than in hi-sec. Said it 1000 times and the reasons are obvious. First one is there is just to much information to process in a busy hi-sec system. To many ways to be fooled or decieved in hi-sec.
In blue sec you have intel channels barking out intruders and either they are blue or an enemy. I dont have to wait for a potential enemy to be on grid before I know what might or might not be a bad situation. The only exception is awoxer.
So to say hi-sec is safer than blue-sec would be wrong and mis-leading. You guys seem to confuse the fact of concord stepping in making safer but they only kill the attacker after the gank. |
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